<?xml version="1.0"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"><channel><title>General</title><link>http://www.sailing.ie/AboutUs/ISAForum/tabid/2031/forumid/32/scope/threads/Default.aspx</link><description></description><pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 19:15:07 GMT</pubDate><lastBuildDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2013 15:49:00 GMT</lastBuildDate><ttl>30</ttl><item><title>Motion for discussion at the ISA AGM - *Please note you must login / register to comment</title><pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2013 15:49:00 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>BryanArmstrong</dc:creator><link>http://www.sailing.ie/AboutUs/ISAForum/tabid/2031/forumid/32/threadid/98/scope/posts/Default.aspx</link><guid>http://www.sailing.ie/AboutUs/ISAForum/tabid/2031/forumid/32/threadid/98/scope/posts/Default.aspx</guid><description>&lt;p style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Norman and I are delighted with the final outcome from the AGM. At all times our intention has been to highlight and provoke discussion on the issues raised and we have succeeded way beyond our expectations. The solutions were never going to be simple and required more debate than could happen at a meeting of that kind. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="text-align: justify;"&gt;We had been concerned that the initial proposal from the chairman of the discussion would have meant that there would be a report in a year&amp;rsquo;s time and that this would mean that there would be no action taken &amp;nbsp;in the meantime, and &amp;nbsp;we had to oppose such an outcome. The compromise put forward by the Commodore of the Royal St. George YC, that a daylong forum be held within a month, was an excellent one. We look forward to participating in it in a few weeks&amp;rsquo; time. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="text-align: justify;"&gt;We hope that the on-line debate will continue and that clubs and classes will prepare for the forum by considering the pros and cons of the current situation and be prepared to articulate the changes they think will reverse the decline in recruits to class and club fleets. Junior Training was started to get good quality people into sailing at all levels, currently it is not doing that, so let&amp;rsquo;s find out why and fix it. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="text-align: justify;"&gt;We in the clubs and classes also need to look at the way we do things ourselves, and make it easier for people to get started.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="text-align: justify;"&gt;For myself I realize that my presentation was over long. &amp;nbsp;The issues are complex and I felt they needed to be laid out in detail, but it was too much for an AGM. &amp;nbsp;I thank those who were there for their patience with me. Afloat have asked me for a copy and have put it up on their website. If you have time read it and post reactions, particularly if you disagree. We can all learn from each other.&lt;/p&gt;</description><comments>http://www.sailing.ie/AboutUs/ISAForum/tabid/2031/forumid/32/threadid/98/scope/posts/Default.aspx</comments></item><item><title>IMCAI Submission to ISA AGM</title><pubDate>Fri, 01 Mar 2013 15:37:57 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>IMCAI</dc:creator><link>http://www.sailing.ie/AboutUs/ISAForum/tabid/2031/forumid/32/threadid/112/scope/posts/Default.aspx</link><guid>http://www.sailing.ie/AboutUs/ISAForum/tabid/2031/forumid/32/threadid/112/scope/posts/Default.aspx</guid><description>&lt;p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;IMCAI [International Mirror Class Association of Ireland]&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;IMCAI wholly endorses the initiative taken by Norman Lee and Bryan Armstrong.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;Background:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;This year the Mirror celebrates its 50&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; birthday. The Mirror class has been a cornerstone for the launch of thousands of sailing careers in Ireland and around the world. In our youth, many of us, including sailors from virtually all Classes look back fondly at Mirror Nationals in which up to 130 Mirrors gathered. Enduring friendships were made that have spread throughout all fleets including the cruising fraternity and to this day form a compelling bond among the sailing family.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;Mirrors also provided the grounding for so many successful sailors, from Round the World winners to Olympians:-&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;Olympic Silver Medallist Stuart Bithell learned to sail in a Mirror; he said &lt;i&gt;&amp;ldquo;the Mirror is great to learn in. I developed tactical skills which I took forward into the 420 and then onto the 470&amp;rdquo;.&lt;/i&gt; Round the World Yachtswomen, Dame Ellen Mac Arthur, who broke the record for the fastest solo circumnavigation in 2005 and Dee Caffari, the first woman to sail non-stop around the world both ways are big fans of the Mirror. Dee had this to say; &lt;i&gt;&amp;ldquo;it does not matter how high performance your yacht or dinghy is today, I can almost guarantee that at some stage in a sailor&amp;rsquo;s career they have sat in a Mirror to learn the basic skills&amp;rdquo;.&lt;/i&gt; Double Olympic silver medallist and round the world yachtsman Ian Walker said he &lt;i&gt;&amp;ldquo;owed his career to the Mirror&amp;rdquo;.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;However, far more importantly Mirror Sailing has grounded tens of thousands of sailors that now just race for leisure in a host of different classes or merely potter about or cruise near or far.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;The Mirror is a superb boat, relatively stable but highly responsive. Importantly, the Mirror requires a crew of two which hones young sailor&amp;rsquo;s skills in communication and dependency. Skippers, crew and parents form an everlasting bond which has been such a huge contributor to the greater sailing family and which underpins the sport and indeed the ISA. The Mirror is also a very affordable boat with hundreds, if not thousands lying in sheds around the country.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;Present Status of Mirror Class:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;Against the above background, the decimation of the Mirror fleet in recent years is regrettable and represents a long term body blow to the development of the sport in general. The 2012 National Championships mustered just over 30 boats and Provincial titles often have less than 20 competitors.&amp;nbsp; While one must be careful in apportioning &amp;ldquo;blame&amp;rdquo; for this decline, successive IMCAI Committees have worked extremely hard in promoting and developing the Class. Hundreds of hours of voluntary effort has gone into the management and development of the Class but it seems that no matter how much effort is put in, the Class continues to decline. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;It is clear that something is radically wrong. This is borne out by other dinghy fleets that are taking part in this debate.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;Role of ISA:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;There has been disquiet and much debate among the Mirror family for a number of years now in regard to the role of the ISA in supporting the Mirror Class. In general, there is a feeling of total disconnect between the Class and the ISA. Some believe that ISA is almost hostile to the Class. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;During the Mirror Europeans at Poole last year, the disparity in the level of coaching available to UK Mirror sailors and Irish Sailors was almost embarrassing. IMCAI took immediate steps to rectify this and put together an inaugural National Winter Coaching program. IMCAI sought funding / assistance from ISA but received no response.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;Instead, a host of volunteers came together to make the program a success, not least Lough Ree Yacht Club who provided fully heated club facilities, rescue boats, man power and indoor storage facilities. Parents raised the funds to pay the Coaches.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;There is something wrong when initiatives such as this have to be undertaken with zero input from ISA. For example, it would have been brilliant for Mirror sailors to have Annalise Murphy come and speak to them on a Saturday or Sunday as part of the Coaching program.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;Finally, with the Gathering and the Mirror World Championships at Lough Derg both this year, it would appear to provide a golden opportunity for ISA to promote Irish Sailing worldwide (we say this notwithstanding a small monitory contribution from ISA to LDYC).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;Pathway:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;Clearly, the creation of elitist Classes by the ISA is not helping those Classes excluded from the program. This of course is unfair and indeed discriminatory. IMCAI believe that this has impacted severely on the Mirror Class, on sailors, on boat manufacturers and resale values of boats. As the sole representative body for sailing in Ireland, the ISA has onerous responsibilities. By giving exclusivity to certain Classes at the expense of rival Classes, ISA is effectively distorting the market. Two precedents involving similar though not identical situations have arisen with the SJAI [Showing Jumping Association of Ireland] and the Irish Kennel Club. In both cases, the National Representative Associations had to significantly amend certain exclusivity practices and provide undertakings accordingly.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;Recommendation: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;IMCAI believes that ISA has lost its way and needs to undertake a root and branch reappraisal of its focus, in particular having regard to the aspirations contained in ISA&amp;rsquo;s 2020 Vision statement;-&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&amp;middot;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Make Access to Boating Easier, Increase Participation in Boating Activities, Improve Standard of Sailing and Manage Legislation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt 36pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;&amp;middot;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; The profile of &amp;ldquo;sailing and boating as an activity for all&amp;rdquo; will be &lt;b&gt;embedded &lt;/b&gt;in the activities of the ISA while increasing standards in &lt;b&gt;every aspect &lt;/b&gt;in the sport will be the underlying principle of the organisation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;Various contributors have made very pertinent points and clearly a committee needs to be set up to assist in steering ISA in a manner that reflects, in the first instance, the aspirations of members. Structural changes may well be required in order to represent ISA&amp;rsquo;s would be position to the Sports Council but the overriding requirement is to create a framework that can take on board the issues raised by such a large cross section of ISA members with a view to implementing changes. It would seem logical that the two proposers of the motion, Norman Lee and Bryan Armstrong would play a pivotal role in bringing this agenda forward.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description></item><item><title>AGM Motion</title><pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2013 01:34:44 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>Wandering Aengus</dc:creator><link>http://www.sailing.ie/AboutUs/ISAForum/tabid/2031/forumid/32/threadid/103/scope/posts/Default.aspx</link><guid>http://www.sailing.ie/AboutUs/ISAForum/tabid/2031/forumid/32/threadid/103/scope/posts/Default.aspx</guid><description>I am inclined to agree with Bryan - participation in the sport can't be measured by counting the number of certificates that have been processed in an operational year! That is a measure of commercial activity, not a conversion rate to dinghy sailing/racing. And if anyone cares to take a serious look at the age profile of those participating in the non-Olympic classes, it isn't getting very much younger. If there really was a pool of 12,000 youngsters looking for a home for their dinghy activities the classes and clubs would be swamped. Instead, we have stories in the national media that clubs are dropping their subscriptions and contemplating the removal of entry fees simply to generate foot-fall across the threshold.&lt;br /&gt;
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The ISA is lucky that there are competent club and class committees operating in the&amp;nbsp;non-Olympic&amp;nbsp;sector and that we have collectively learned to stand on our own two feet. The level of regular, year start/year end engagement with the ISA for organised classes is minimal and while that may have evolved as a chicken and egg syndrome because we may not need to have our hands held, it would be preferable for the dinghy, non-Olympic fraternity to have an ongoing engagement with the&amp;nbsp;ISA.&amp;nbsp; In an era when there should be a proactive effort to help clubs and classes rationalise the calendar to manage volunteer resources, cost and time, there is a vacuum. Pre-season workshops to organise a regatta schedule, to provide support to and co-ordinate the efforts of the smaller classes would be a tangible engagement by the ISA.&amp;nbsp;Reporting mechanisms to assess race officials and venues immediately after regattas would be helpful in&amp;nbsp;promoting standards in the hosting of events and allow a portfolio of information on available clubs and officials&amp;nbsp;to be developed. Thus, when major events need to be populated with additional officials and volunteers, it can be done on the basis of experience and reputation rather than&amp;nbsp;press-ganging volunteers from the host club. &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;
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12,000 certificates might equate to 12,000 1 week-long sessions of water based baby-sitting. Can we point to a level entry dinghy class that is thriving as a consequence of 12,000 youngsters graduating from an ISA approved course - I don't think so! The Classes that might attract youngsters - Mirrors, Vagos, Fevas, aren't exactly dominating the scene.&amp;nbsp; Two Mirrors sailed the 2011/12 Frostbites Series in Dun Laoghaire. There hasn't been a regular Mirror on the scene for the 2012/13 Series.There is no significant level entry class racing in any sort of numbers out of Dun Laoghaire, probably our biggest centre of racing activity on the east coast, on Saturdays as part of the DBSC racing. And if they aren't making a debut in level entry classes, they won't impact later on in the adult classes such as GP14, Fireball and even Laser. We have no meaningful 470 Class nor is there any significant activity in the 420s.&lt;br /&gt;
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The ISA does have an active Race Management Advisory Group but do they have a mandate to engage with the dinghy classes outside the March workshop. We currently have more IROs than a country our size is expected to have.&amp;nbsp; How do we proactively ensure that there are younger, competent Race Officers available to take on this mantle when they retire from this activity. How do we ensure that the enormous knowledge and talent that the likes of Bill O'Hara and Ron Hutchieson and others have of the Racing Rules and their application and interpretation is passed onto the next generation of NJs and IJs. How do we promote a situation where the ISA supports classes when they&amp;nbsp;bring international events to Ireland?&lt;br /&gt;
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These are all issues that come under the domain of dinghy sailing and racing that I believe are being neglected&amp;nbsp;and identified in the sentiment of Bryan and Norman's submission to the ISA AGM.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;</description><comments>http://www.sailing.ie/AboutUs/ISAForum/tabid/2031/forumid/32/threadid/103/scope/posts/Default.aspx</comments></item></channel></rss>